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I was curious what everyone else thought as to what are the top 10 progams for training in Urology.Here is my impression of the "Top 10" (in no particular order)Cleveland ClinicColumbiaCornellHopkinsMayo ClinicVanderbiltUCSFU MichiganU PennUT Southwestern

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Cleveland clinic

Looks good. Add Emory

Looks good. Add Emory though. Top 11.

No such thing.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No such thing exists unless you spend significant time at all programs.

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Top 10 for what? need some guidelines

Let trigones be...
all strong programs, but

all strong programs, but there are at least 4-5 more in the same caliber, with many more half a notch down. I was pleasantly surprised that there are so many great urology programs. I matched at one of the programs listed, but I would be quite happy at any of those and several others if not for personal considerations (significant other, geography, etc).

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Just an opinion

I feel for many medical students when they try to get an idea of what some of the top programs are when it comes to residency. I know because when I was in those shoes I got many different answers from everyone I asked. Frankly before you get a chance to do away rotations or go on interviews it's really hard to evaluate any program except your home program. A lot of what people say when they talk about top 10 programs comes from opinions. Also those US and World Report rankings get in peoples heads. In fact this website will give a variety of opinions about who's at the top.

I can tell you now that I have gone through allot and heard even more that having an idea of what the top programs are is helpful when looking at yourself as a applicant. As far your list I think they are all great programs. In fact outside of some top programs all urology programs are "mid tier" aside from the very bottom (which are usually easy to find since they have trouble matching). Programs like Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic,Vanderbilt, UCSF, U Michigan are top places and will be for a while. Of course there's allot of top places that change over the years due to famous faculty leaving or retiring. The places mentioned previously are able to absorb the loss better due to the fact they have 15-30 faculty on staff and there is usually someone all ready to take their place. For instance when Blute leaves Mayo not much is going to change.

I think there are plenty of examples of programs that sit right outside the top four or five. A lot of these places have maybe dipped in their national reputation because of a loss of some famous faculty recently. Places like UCLA, Wash U, Emory, MGH, Northwestern, U Pitt and University of Washington come to mind. These places will likely rise in there reputation as their younger faculty rise in their reputation and will become part of the top programs. They are all strongly funded programs with great traditions which will always keep them near the top. Of course like any thing in life this is a business and when people are at top places and get enticed by money or opportunity (chairmen) the whole cycle will start all over again.

Places like Cornell and Baylor I fell have dipped recently due to the loss of some big time faculty but like the program mentioned above they will likely be back on top soon. U Penn I think is a program way to dependent on their chair. While he is a big name in the field and one that brings that program a lot of recognition there is going to be a point where he will be gone they program will lose a step.

In the end when your looking at where you want to go, picking from a list of the "top" programs is usually never a bad choice. They are usually built on a strong fundamental of always bringing new talent and being prepared to lose their best people, especially if they are well funded. Of course what really matters is the "fit" of a program with you. This is something you can only get an idea of when you rotate places and hopefully get some idea of when you interview places. Like I said before almost all of the programs are going to prepare you to be a good urologist. If you are worried about fellowship then yeah going to a strong program will help but the fact is residency is what you make it. If you go to a program outside the top ones but publish like hell, meet the right people at the national conferences then you can know that you will be highly sought after no matter where your from. I also think there is some bias when it comes to geography, west coast vs. east coast vs. south vs. midwest. Each region has it's strong programs and own opinions.

My list for the hell of it:

Perennial Top programs (i.e. won;t change for the next 5-10 years):
Cleavland Clinic
U Mich (recently became a top program about seven years ago but I think here to stay)

Top Programs on the Rise (next 5-10 years):
Wash U
U Pitt
Wash U
UT Southwestern

Top Programs that may fall some (next 5-10 years):
U Penn
OR any program that loses it's top name

Top Programs that are currently under the radar:
Univ. of Chicago
UC Irvine
Lahey Clinic

Anonymous (not verified)
The Bottom 12

Lenox Hill
Saint Louis Univ
Southern Illinois University
Univ. of Louisville
Univ. of New Mexico
Univ of Toledo
Wake Forest

Anonymous (not verified)

I interviewed at SIU - I wasn't expecting a whole lot, but was genuinely surprised. It is a great program with really down to earth faculty and residents. I ended up ranking them in my top 5. The only thing that hindered me from ranking them higher was the fact that it is in Springfield, and it is kind of in the middle of nowhere and not a bunch to do there. I certainly would not consider them "bottom 12" by any means. They are definitely in the top half of programs in this country.

Balls in the air
Completely agree about SIU

Completely agree about SIU (good program, good education, amazing hours, lot of focus on resident education, sadly in the middle of nowhere), and this is a perfect example of why everyone says "you get good training everywhere". Luckily this means that most people won't turn up their noses at you regardless of where you wind up.

It's a lot easier to pick out the top tier, but as someone pointed out previously, you can't even really do that unless you know what type of program you're looking for (research heavy, private practice bent, very strong in a particular area, well-rounded, good hours w/ good training, killer hours with good/great training).

And this is why it sucks to try to figure out where you have a fair chance, where you can use as a fall back, and where is a long shot. One person's "fallback" is another's dream program.

Wow, I only interviewed at a

Wow, I only interviewed at a few of those (and didn't match at any), but from what I saw, I'd certainly strongly disagree with your list. Especially SIU (nowhere will you get better dedicated resident education- and the people are great), Univ of New Mexico (incredible operative experience, attendings who really invest in the residents), and Wake Forst (great training if you can get past starting with a year of research).
I'm not sure if your rank list is helpful to anyone anyway...

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