What are people's stats this year, related to the number of interviews offers they've received and the kinds of places so far? I'm wondering if 250 is a new cutoff for many programs?Mine: 240s, AOA, 1 uro abstract, good dean's letter, wanna say my rec letters are good but I really have no ideaInterviews: 7 scheduled (2 from subi's) from surprising places (low-tier and high-tier), but still being passed up from local regional low-to-mid tier programs. All things considered, I'm doing fairly well, but definitely not sure why I'm getting some offers and not others. Anyone else experiencing something similar?
In similar situation here...5 invites 1 from subI, over 250 on both, great grades, AOA strong letters of rec.No research though might be a problem....Got passed up by all the regional programs got interviews from surprising places.
What are people's stats this year, related to the number of interviews offers they've received and the kinds of places so far? I'm wondering if 250 is a new cutoff for many programs?Mine: 240s, AOA, 1 uro abstract, good dean's letter, wanna say my rec letters are good but I really have no ideaInterviews: 7 scheduled (2 from subi's) from surprising places (low-tier and high-tier), but still being passed up from local regional low-to-mid tier programs. All things considered, I'm doing fairly well, but definitely not sure why I'm getting some offers and not others. Anyone else experiencing something similar?
step 1 250s, step 2 270s, AOA, mostly honors years 1-3, great dean's letter, 1 uro abstract, 4 letters from well known ppl, coming from an ok school with no Uro programapplied to 41, 2 sub-I's that don't interview ppl that rotated there, 15 invites, 12 scheduled, 1 awaiting, 2 canceled due to date conflicts, 2 rejections, invites from top, mid and low tier, half remaining have had dates posted, half haven't seen any word from anywhere
Mid 250s step 1, haven't taken 2. "Third tier" home program. One uro abstract, some other research. Not in the top 25% of my class, although we're 'unranked.' What I assume are good letters. Applied to 47: 13 offers, 10 scheduled... 3 declined due to scheduling. 3 rejections. Mostly regional offers. No "top tier" programs. Good luck to everyone.
What are people's stats this year, related to the number of interviews offers they've received and the kinds of places so far? I'm wondering if 250 is a new cutoff for many programs?Mine: 240s, AOA, 1 uro abstract, good dean's letter, wanna say my rec letters are good but I really have no ideaInterviews: 7 scheduled (2 from subi's) from surprising places (low-tier and high-tier), but still being passed up from local regional low-to-mid tier programs. All things considered, I'm doing fairly well, but definitely not sure why I'm getting some offers and not others. Anyone else experiencing something similar?
Almost the exact same app and experience; you're not alone. Got some reaches but either rejected or haven't heard from mid tier regional programs. It makes no sense at all how it works. Hopefully second round of invites go out. I'm at 10 invites, 5 rejects, and haven't heard from a handful. Applied to 50. It is confusing how ppl can get invited to top programs out of region and rejected from top and mid tier regional programs.
Just out of curiosity does anyone have a list of top tier programs? I'm just trying to figure out what people mean when they say top-tier programs. Thanks.
3 Interviews, 5 rejects 70% of my schools have sent invites. Starting to replay all the things I could have done differently over the past 3 years to strengthen my application. Slowly losing my mind. Wearning pants on my head. Halp
Just out of curiosity does anyone have a list of top tier programs? I'm just trying to figure out what people mean when they say top-tier programs. Thanks.
I think it depends on what you want out of a residency. The title "top tier" is many times given to programs that have a historic reputation, reputation from other departments in the same hospital or the hospital as a whole, or research, but could very well be low tier in terms of overall surgical training. I think when people hear of "top tier" programs, they think of Vanderbilt, UTSW, Michigan, Indiana, UWashington in Seattle, UCLA, UCSF, Hopkins, etc etc. I think many of these programs get the name "top tier" because of their research output and NIH funding, not necessarily because they train you to be the best urologist compared to the graduates of other programs. For example, I think Hopkins is considered a very top program because it trains residents to be high volume researchers above technically perfect surgeons with top notch surgical training. I'm not saying that Hopkins-trained urologists aren't great surgeons, but they definitely aren't the best nor does Hopkins offer the best training. Of these agove mentioned programs, however, a couple of them do offer unbelievable surgical training on top of having unbelievable reserach output: Vanderbilt, Indiana, UCLA, UTSW and UWashington.My father is an ophthalmologist, and I know Harvard-trained ophthalmology residents are considered to have gone to a "top tier" program, but my father laughs and says he fixes more screwed up eyeballs from Harvard trained ophthalmologists than any other, yet it is still considered a "top tier" program. To put numbers to this, my father attended a "middle tier" program by today's standards, yet he graduated having performed >300 cataract surgeries, while graduates of Harvard's program at the time barely completed 60. So my dad had >5x the surgical training for cataract surgery (i.e the bread and butter of ophthalmological surgery), yet he wasn't considered a graduate of a top-tier program. At the same time, my father's program did not have nearly the same research funding and opportunity available as the Harvard grads. I know this story of largely anectodal, but it illustrates the point I'm trying to make when I say "it depends".I write all this to emphasize that the title of "top tier" largely depends on what you consider to be most important. I, personally, care very little about being a research powerhouse in the future, nor do I ever want to be chairman, so my top tier is Vanderbilt, UTSW, and Indiana because I believe they offer top tier surgical training (coincidentally they also offer very top tier research opportunities and research funding) and my very bottom tier is Hopkins, all the Harvard programs, UCSF largely because I don't think their surgical training is as good the other programs, and probably not even as good as many "middle tier" programs (though I don't really know about UCSF--I would just never live in San Francisco). Many will disagree, but your question is a loaded one with many different opinions.
I agree with the idea of the last post (top tier reputation != best surgical training), but without having rotated at most places it's really hard to say which is which. Also depending on who you ask, you get a very different idea of who the "top tier" is. In no particular order I've heard of hopkins, vandy, emory, lahey, michigan, penn, pitt, Duke, MGH, BWH, Cornell, Columbia, indiana, Mayo, Cleveland clinic, Baylor, UTSW, Uchicago, Northwestern, WashU, UWash, UCLA, USC, Stanford, UCSF etc. (i'm probably missing some). The truth is all of them probably provide good training both in academics and in the OR. Then there are plenty of other programs that may be less academic but still offer great operative training. Which ones is best for you is probably more a matter of fit with residents, specific research interests, geography, etc.
I would be interested to see how people rate the surgical training at the above top tier academic programs... I don't know if anyone else wants to know the same? I could start it off just based on things I have heard (warning, many of these may be inaccurate based on what you have heard/seen, feel free to correct)Purely for surgical training:Very good: Vandy, Emory, Michigan, Penn, Cleveland Clinic, UCLA, UTSW, PittGood: Indiana, mayo, columbia, baylor, northwestern, UWash, USC, UCSF, BWH, Uchicago, WashUAverage: Hopkins, duke, cornell, stanford, MGH, Any major disagreements?
I would be interested to see how people rate the surgical training at the above top tier academic programs... I don't know if anyone else wants to know the same? I could start it off just based on things I have heard (warning, many of these may be inaccurate based on what you have heard/seen, feel free to correct)Purely for surgical training:Very good: Vandy, Emory, Michigan, Penn, Cleveland Clinic, UCLA, UTSW, PittGood: Indiana, mayo, columbia, baylor, northwestern, UWash, USC, UCSF, BWH, Uchicago, WashUAverage: Hopkins, duke, cornell, stanford, MGH, I would add Jefferson to the list of Very Good surgical training. They fly under the radar a little bit, but residents there get great autonomy in the OR and their services are busy as hell.Any major disagreements?
Mid 250s step 1, haven't taken 2. "Third tier" home program. One uro abstract, some other research. Not in the top 25% of my class, although we're 'unranked.' What I assume are good letters. Applied to 47: 13 offers, 10 scheduled... 3 declined due to scheduling. 3 rejections. Mostly regional offers. No "top tier" programs. Good luck to everyone.
Just out of curiosity does anyone have a list of top tier programs? I'm just trying to figure out what people mean when they say top-tier programs. Thanks.
I agree with the idea of the last post (top tier reputation != best surgical training), but without having rotated at most places it's really hard to say which is which. Also depending on who you ask, you get a very different idea of who the "top tier" is. In no particular order I've heard of hopkins, vandy, emory, lahey, michigan, penn, pitt, Duke, MGH, BWH, Cornell, Columbia, indiana, Mayo, Cleveland clinic, Baylor, UTSW, Uchicago, Northwestern, WashU, UWash, UCLA, USC, Stanford, UCSF etc. (i'm probably missing some). The truth is all of them probably provide good training both in academics and in the OR. Then there are plenty of other programs that may be less academic but still offer great operative training. Which ones is best for you is probably more a matter of fit with residents, specific research interests, geography, etc.
I would be interested to see how people rate the surgical training at the above top tier academic programs... I don't know if anyone else wants to know the same? I could start it off just based on things I have heard (warning, many of these may be inaccurate based on what you have heard/seen, feel free to correct)Purely for surgical training:Very good: Vandy, Emory, Michigan, Penn, Cleveland Clinic, UCLA, UTSW, PittGood: Indiana, mayo, columbia, baylor, northwestern, UWash, USC, UCSF, BWH, Uchicago, WashUAverage: Hopkins, duke, cornell, stanford, MGH, Any major disagreements?