just your average jo(anna)

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just your average jo(anna)

Hi All-Was wondering if there were any altruistic souls left out there, someone to give me sound, objective advice- without having any ulterior motives.I dont have any bigwig chairman contacts, and I can't drop any names of urology 'top dogs"... I'm just a girl, who is trying to *politely* hustle into a program on her own merit...As a FMG, I don't know the "reputations" of programs- and I sort of applied blindly- maybe some were reach schools, maybe I overlooked some potential great matches. Dunno.Applied: 50 schoolsRejected:- UAB- U Conn- MCG- UK- Henry Ford- LSU-Shreveport (was hoping for this!)- NEOUCOM (was also hoping for an interview here!)- MUSC- Oklahoma- UT-Memphis-EVMSInterviews:- 2 university programs, 1 community program- an away rotation next week at a university program, with fingers crossed for an IV.Waitlist:- "Reserve List" at a school in upstate NY- And a "second review" at a program in NYCHaven't Heard:- From a slew of programs... I have been calling/writing etc, many coordinators have told me that they are "full" but yet I haven't gotten a rejection from them- one even told me "honey, it's just not gonna happen for you here". Again, no follow-up rejection. Another told me that they were sending out invites by the end of the day, again no invite-no rejection.What to make of all the "in limbo" programs? It would be great if we could start an official "rejection" list- that way, many of us can stop wondering. Any hints/suggestions/advice?? As a FMG with an avergage Step 1 score, I might not be great on paper, but in person- I shine. If only I could get my foot in the door, I know that I can make a lasting impression on programs-I did great on Step 2- pass on CK- lots of published abstracts, presenations at national conferences, and two articles provisionally accepted at journals with excellent impact factors.What's the average joanna to do? Is it time for a back-up?

Edited by: nicky on 05/11/2015 - 19:50 Reason: Updated by FeedsNodeProcessor
Anonymous (not verified)
As someone who's gone through

As someone who's gone through the interview process, and is now on the other side of things, I can tell you that it's going to be pretty hard (not impossible) for you to match into a urology program.Last year, 88% of US seniors matched...about 10% higher than previous years, and this was secondary to decreased number of applicants.  International graduates have ranged from 15-25% matching rate in the past 5 years or so.  An average step 1, which seems to be the best way to get your foot in the door, is going to hurt you.  A great step 2 probably won't help you all that much.I know our particular program is interviewing plenty of competitive applicants, 95% of the applicants have a 240+ on step 1, and the ones that are lower than that have something very comparable with something very impressive to make up for it.  As a resident, we rarely decide who to interview...but have say in is ranked highly.  Everyone really looks so similar on paper, and who does and doesn't get interviews is an inexact science. Ultimately, Urology is a surgical subspecialty...and by definition, is going to be competitive.  You've got a couple things that are going against you, and fair or not...FMGs have a HUGE mountain to climb. I don't want to burst your bubble, I'm just trying to be unbiased and honest...I'd have a back up plan, but try your damnedest to get a spot...if you don't, attempt to get a prelim GSurg spot with a urology program at that location, and work your butt off for a year.

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same shoes as you...kind of...

im a female applying, but applying for a US med school.  ive been told along the way that being a female is going to help me so much. as you have experienced, i have been not granted many interviews from the same places, and i also think that i may have applied to the wrong places and missed out on opportunities at other programs.  my step 1 score is descent - enough for me to put off taking step 2 confidently (>240).  i have publications, i even have letter a letter or 2 from a big guy in urology.  so, the rejections are disappointing because i thought i was a descent female candidate.im saying all this because it doesnt matter what your stats are - it seems like urology is all about who you know and who you can brown nose - which is so unfair.  my chances of matching seem slim to non at this point, just being realistic. my best advice to you, is at that next rotation you are going to - make sure you are in the program director and faculty's face as much as possible.  show them you want it bad enough.  go in early, stay late.  read up on cases.  you can do it sister!!  best of luck!!

Anonymous (not verified)
for those programs you havent heard from...

for those programs you havent heard from...i would just assume "no"...thats what i have been doing...its better to be prepared...and you happen to receive a late interview invite...it will be a plus and pleasant surprise!

Anonymous (not verified)
same boat

SMG123 reading your post was almost like meeing my twin....we are very similar regarding credentials and backgroundsplease!! email me: uromatch@gmx.com so we can talk in detailI am happy to settle for my plan B...as much as I love urology but the world is loaded with opportunities

Anonymous (not verified)
some advice

im just another applicant but my advice to you would be to get in touch with a program director who is knowledgeable in these issues and is willing to help. they would be best suited to give you meaningful advice and could comment on how else you can go about improving your chances of matching. good luck!

Anonymous (not verified)
Ranking process

 Thank you very much. Helpful and direct. Would you be able to shed some more light on how the ranking process is done at your program? Is it mostly based on the interview day or do stats (boards, grades) play the major role? As someone whose boards are in the 230's I'm just wondering if that stops being a disadvantage once you're in the door with an interview and everyone's on a level field.

Anonymous User wrote:
As someone who's gone through the interview process, and is now on the other side of things, I can tell you that it's going to be pretty hard (not impossible) for you to match into a urology program.Last year, 88% of US seniors matched...about 10% higher than previous years, and this was secondary to decreased number of applicants.  International graduates have ranged from 15-25% matching rate in the past 5 years or so.  An average step 1, which seems to be the best way to get your foot in the door, is going to hurt you.  A great step 2 probably won't help you all that much.I know our particular program is interviewing plenty of competitive applicants, 95% of the applicants have a 240+ on step 1, and the ones that are lower than that have something very comparable with something very impressive to make up for it.  As a resident, we rarely decide who to interview...but have say in is ranked highly.  Everyone really looks so similar on paper, and who does and doesn't get interviews is an inexact science. Ultimately, Urology is a surgical subspecialty...and by definition, is going to be competitive.  You've got a couple things that are going against you, and fair or not...FMGs have a HUGE mountain to climb. I don't want to burst your bubble, I'm just trying to be unbiased and honest...I'd have a back up plan, but try your damnedest to get a spot...if you don't, attempt to get a prelim GSurg spot with a urology program at that location, and work your butt off for a year.

Anonymous (not verified)
Matching

If it doesn't work out, some people I have met have done a research fellowship at a big place like Hopkins or UCSF. While there you can rub elbows with the chairs, get to know them, maybe go the OR with them if they let you, and use those contacts to help you match somewhere. 

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how to land a research fellowship spot? expect pay?

Anonymous User wrote:
If it doesn't work out, some people I have met have done a research fellowship at a big place like Hopkins or UCSF. While there you can rub elbows with the chairs, get to know them, maybe go the OR with them if they let you, and use those contacts to help you match somewhere. 
 hey, know this thread was long time ago and im bringing it back to life..i wonder how people land a research fellowship position at big places. e.g. email the chair with CV and ask for a position?can applicants expect it to be paid? urology outcomes research jobs dont seem to be as advertised as much as surgical (as in general surgery) outcomes research jobs (which are more advertised on APDS' website)and then some say also, to go to smaller academic programs in perhaps less desirable geographic areas because they are just maybe 0.05% more likely to take u? shrugsss... anyone has experience or know of success stories? esp for FMGs?